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Poster: | elbow1126 | Date: | Apr 7, 2009 10:31am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Bruce and Vince |
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1995-04-07.sbd.larson.tetzeli.fix-35148.35364.reflac.flac16
One: Jack Straw ; Peggy-O ; Little Red Rooster ; Loose Lucy ; When I Paint My Masterpiece ; Visions Of Johanna ; The Promised Land
Two: Eyes Of The World > Saint Of Circumstance ; Samba In The Rain ; Unbroken Chain ; Corrina > Drums > Space > Easy Answers > Days Between > Not Fade Away
Encore: U.S. Blues
The show was okay, well better than I expected. Highlights for me were Visions of Johanna and Eyes, both were very good. Mercifully my wife called right as Samba was starting and she managed to occupy my ears for all but the last minute of the song. She loves me, she really loves me.
However what struck me the most was Vince's playing on Promised Land and then Eyes>Saint. He wasn't making annoying synthy sounds like he did during Jack Straw, rather he was making piano sounds and frankly I thought they sounded damn good. Much better than that Casio noise that Brent played at the beginning of his tenure. I found myself wondering why he did not stick with this sound which would have been more widely accepted amongst the fans of the group only to realize that there was no reason to make piano sounds for the first year and half or so he was in the band. With Bruce on a real piano it would seem that the only place for Vince to go was synthy. So my question is, do you think having started out with Bruce on piano significantly influenced Vince's sound with the band? I am becoming more and more convinced that Vince was a talented keyboard player (untrained ear here), but he just had a sound that was not very appealing to the fanbase and combined with being overshadowed by Bruce in the beginning, he never had a shot.
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Poster: | lobster12 | Date: | Apr 7, 2009 12:57pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Bruce and Vince |
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Poster: | elbow1126 | Date: | Apr 7, 2009 1:39pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Bruce and Vince |
I was simply wondering if Vince would have fit in better if he was not initially working around Bruce and the interesting interview that S&R posted suggested that he definitely felt boxed in both while working with Bruce and even a bit after Bruce left. Maybe it affected him or maybe he just wasn't the right guy. I guess we will never know.
I don't think Jerry was having a rough night for the 4-7-95 show. No lyric flubs to speak of and the playing seems okay. Try the Eyes and let me know what you think.
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Poster: | lobster12 | Date: | Apr 7, 2009 1:57pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Bruce and Vince |
http://www.archive.org/details/gd92-03-08.sbd.fink.14083.sbeok.shnf
As for a good Vince show, I like his work on 12-31-91
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Poster: | snow_and_rain | Date: | Apr 7, 2009 7:29pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Bruce and Vince |
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Poster: | snow_and_rain | Date: | Apr 7, 2009 11:00am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Bruce and Vince |
Generally speaking, Vince sounded much better in Hornsby-free shows.
Check out this interesting interview..
http://www.digitalinterviews.com/digitalinterviews/views/welnick.shtml
DI: Bruce Hornsby was there as a “buffer” for a while.
VW: That was the deal. The job description was “Bruce will play the piano until we work in the new guy. You will play synthesizer -- not the Hammond organ, but synthesizer.” I wish it would have been the Hammond, too. It was either space, or they wanted to phase out that sound and replace it with other stuff.
DI: So when you and Bruce played together, you had split responsibilities?
VW: I had the bogus Hammond, the one that sounded not like a Hammond. [laughs] Whenever I went to the organ, that’s what I played, and the synthesizer. I learned all those songs on the piano at home. Now I get to the stage, and, with the exception of a very few rehearsals, we were up and running on the fall tour. “I must not be a piano player,” that’s what’s going through my head. “Be anything but a piano player now.” It was challenging.
DI: When Bruce went on his way, were you able to bring those other sounds in?
VW: Oh, yeah, and Bob Bralove was supplying my midi sounds, like he did with Brent. He fires them in from afar. He sends in, not the songs, but the sounds.
DI: A lot of electronics were utilized within the whole framework of the Dead?
VW: There was a "wall" of sound effects. Bob Bralove would keep adding more effects. I have pedals to bring them up. If I had all the pedals on full, you could be hearing up to six different sounds blended together.
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Poster: | Single Malt | Date: | Apr 7, 2009 12:20pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Bruce and Vince |
Thanks for the link.